The Lone Penman (rayne_vandunem) wrote in back_to_africa,
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ok, first post.

hi, this is rayne_vandunem, and i just started this community for all African-Americans who are considering moving to, are moving to, are living in, or have returned from sub-Saharan Africa.

I've come to the conclusion that, in order to bring the legacy of the slave trade to an end, we who are desecndants of the Transatlantic Slave Trade should reconnect ourselves and our families to Africa, and they to us, and the best way to pursue such is by immigrating en masse to the Guinea Coast, or the Coast that stretches from Senegal to Cameroon, and, by extension of the TAST, all the way to Angola.

Now...if there is to be ANY immigration to Africa, I think that those who may want to settle themselves there should set up their primary residencies alongside a body of water. No matter if it be the coast (like the Bight of Benin), no matter a river (like the Congo), no matter a lake or reservoir (like Lake Volta), settlement should always take place primarily along a body of water. In this way, communication and transportation will be made as easy as possible, particularly when it would involve any national or provincial capital or major city, or, more importantly, across the Atlantic. Port cities are good places to start.

Plus, violent conflicts and rivalries, as well as diseases like malaria, seem to be alot more rampant within the less accessible areas, like the woods and forests. Any travel guide would tell you that, including http://lonelyplanet.com.

I take the "body of water" idea from what I read about the Maroons of Suriname in South America, who are descended from the escaped slaves who rebelled against the Dutch back in the 1600's and 1700's. Basically, they have always shared the wooded areas with the Aboriginal Surinamers, particularly since the woods acted as a major deterrents against Dutch colonial incursions. However, even in the jungle areas, the Maroons and Aboriginals have tended to live separate lives, with the Maroons living primarily along rivers and lakes, and the Aboriginals living in the least-accesible parts of Suriname.

So that's my idea. What do you guys think?
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good idea.. how would you minimize the conflict between new settlers and people already living in those areas.... if not planned wisely itcould have the same reprecussions of American colonialization. The native Americans were already settled on the eastern coasts and here come these new people... it is a recipe for conflict
Well, considering that sub-Saharan Africa isn't a necessarily urban-oriented region, but Amerafricans are, it actually makes more sense to settle the repatriatees in concentrated enclaves along bodies of water, since most sub-Saharan Africans still reside in rural, spread-out areas.

In that way, the two peoples can co-exist in a way that will benefit the nations involved: settling the Amerafricans in concentrated, water-based enclaves will give off the impression that Africa is urbanizing on a serious level, in a way that won't necessarily be based upon post-colonial legacies or tendencies.

(based upon example set up by the Maroons and Amerindians of backwoods Suriname).

Anonymous

April 18 2005, 01:54:17 UTC 12 years ago

This is awful. Such an idea will only increase the seperation between the races. The only solution is massive hybridization, the mixing of all the races to eliminate all the races. Not only will this result in a more peaceful and culturally understanding (CULTURALLY, not ETHNICALLY, they are not the same and many people forget this) world, but it will result in a superior race of genetically diversified beings.
First off, let me just say that this is just overtly utopian, entirely idealistic, and purely based upon fantasy.

I mean, look at the fact that the Caucasoids dominate the vast majority of the Old World, i.e., Europe, India, Northern Africa (including Ethiopia), the Middle East, and Central Asia (why do you think that Israel is so important?). A pattern that has been noticed in human history is the constant need for expansion, conquering, conversion, and assimilation by the Caucasoid ethnicity, which is why, by the time that the first Egyptian empire rose up, all of the Black Africans who had originally occupied the entire Nile Valley had vanished from modern-day Egypt, pushed southward into present-day Sudan by invading Asiatics, from the Arabian peninsula and Fertile Crescent, who then usurped an increasing authority in the region. In fact, such continued into modern times when the Arabs of northern Sudan tried to force southern Sudan (a predominately Negroid, non-Arabianized region) into an age-old assimilation process through murder, rampage, enslavement, rape, and other such horrors.

Therefore, I wholeheartedly disagree with your belief that mass hybridization will rectify the world's cultural misunderstandings. They tried that in Brazil by importing millions of European immigrants in an effort to "blank out (blanqueamento, as they call it)" the African slave descendants who, with their ancestors, had sustained that country's agriculturally-based economy for so long (and with no pay).

Mass hybridization is only an idea that will benefit the Caucasoid race, not the Negroids, not the Mongoloids, not the Guyanoids. It will fit into the common ideal of empire and expansion, something that the Negroids and Guyanoids, traditionally, are against, but something that the Mongoloids will look upon favorably for reasons different from the collective Caucasoid rationale.

So no, hybridization won't even work, no matter how much we may pray, uselessly, for peace, harmony, and understanding in the world.

Anonymous

12 years ago

rayne_vandunem

12 years ago

White Supremacy is the problem

Anonymous

12 years ago

lizamabetsy

12 years ago

rayne_vandunem

12 years ago

I don't really consider this an option for the masses. However there are African American expatriate communities in Tanzania and Ghana. It would be interesting to find out about there experiences.
Now Tanzania, I can't see the point, since our ancestors didn't actually come from that area.

However, I have heard a bit about the African-American community in Ghana. There was this one article from Wall Street about it, too, if you've ever come across it.
I'm not quite sure that repatriation is a great idea. While I don't deny that Black Americans are of African descent, I do not think that Africa is our home. People are misguided in thinking that upon returning to Africa one would be at ease because he/she is among his/her people. This could not be further from the truth. There is such a great difference that separates Black Americans and Black Africans. Culture, customs, language, world view, self-perceptions etc... Aside from fitting in physically (skin color), we are worlds apart.
Well, of course 500 years of something of a disconnection between the two geographic areas has created such a wide gap of difference between "us" and "them". So my question, then, would be this: Knowing that my ancestral roots tie me inexplicably to sub-Saharan Africa, while, simultaneously, being aware of the fact that there has been little-to-no dialogue whatsoever between me in Fort Benning (my sister just PCSed here on the 2nd, so we're helping her get settled here at the moment), and the guy in Accra who may/may not be related me somewhere WAAAAAY down the line, what do I do to bridge this canyon?

I mean, have you ever heard of the old adage "Don't burn the bridges which brought you over" (If you haven't, now you have)? If such is applicable to the Anglophones in Canada (why do you think that Elizabeth II is queen up there as well), as well as to the various Chinese communities (even third- and fourth-generation) throughout the known world, then what makes one think that such isn't applicable to us in the Americas (especially, if no one else, this particular community in the U.S.)?

This is what the whole repatriation idea is about: a two-way dialogue between "us" and "them". And no, not just in the form of meaningless international conferences for political leaders. If there's any way through which this two-way can be achieved besides repatriation, I'd be all up for it.

Got any ideas?
I suppose I need to know why exactly you feel you need to 'bridge this canyon'? I can tell you honestly that bridging the gap and having a 'dialouge' does not meet the immediate need of many Sub-Saharan African's nor does it interest them in the least.

From my experience, Sub-Saharan Africans are more concerned about white people to the extent that they diefy them and their culture while simultaneously neutralizing theirs. As a result I feel no need or desire to dialogue with 'them'.

If you offer dialouge as a way of showing Africans the value and beauty in being black, as a way of instilling a sense of pride and nationalism then it's a great idea. But to think that Black Americans should move back to Africa to get in touch with our roots, you are misleading yourself. Black Africans are as far removed from these 'roots' as Black Americans.
If you offer dialouge as a way of showing Africans the value and beauty in being black, as a way of instilling a sense of pride and nationalism then it's a great idea.

Well, while it is more relevant to history and culture than color, "race", in its generally ambiguous form, is a thing that I try to avoid except for when it comes to the topic of ancestry. However, I do agree with you that Africa, in its world outlook at present, is still inexplicably tied to Europe (on ALL facets). It, or at least the sub-Saharan geographic, is still stuck in the neo-colonial stage; to sever such ties, however, even 40 or 50 years from now, would still be economically disastrous for this area.

However, I'm trying to offer an alternative to the African people: the Diaspora which it happily sent across the Atlantic over 5 centuries ago. As both the homeland and the Diaspora share very similar experiences with European colonialism (and its accompanying features), I think that, if Africa is ever going to remove itself from its dependency on Europe (and Mugabe is leading the most bull-headed attempt to do such, the second most notable one since Nyerere's "ujamaa" program), it would probably behoove them to 1) move toward a greater relationship with the potential big-boys of the Third World, namely the PRC (Beijing) and Brazil, and 2) reconcile with the "Middle Passage" Diaspora.

So I know that there are those who continue to "deify" the Europeans, as you say. However, with Brazil's growing base in sub-Saharan Africa, Benin's apology to the Diaspora for slave-trading, the growing unhappiness of the Euro-South African minority with general conditions (not just racial or political) in their country, and Mugabe's pogroms above the Limpopo, I think that the days of the post-colonial period of Africa's history are clearly numbered.
Why not do all the things that are needed to make it possible for inner city youths do their junior high school year abroad living, live with hospitable Ghanaian families while attending local schools? That's where I am now. I've done some research on this (please see http://home.pcmagic.net/gpope ) All this will take a lot of doing. However I've re-tallied up my current list of tasks and find that even a pilot project group to come down here is more than I can handle. The responsibility is too great. Danger? think malaria! I'd like to talk about this with people who really understand the life here and who also knows about inner city youths which I do not.

Except for natural resource extractors nobody from the US has done what I think needs to be done in W.Africa to whit capital investment in manufacturing, construction, services and etc. You need private capital to make jobs. It takes jobs income for people to buy the things they want and for new markets to emerge.

Much of this is due to an adverse investment climate. Where there is corruption new investors and people will lack confidence..that they can control there business destiny. So even Ghanaians and I suppose many African decline to bring their money home even though sometimes after many years they may be quite homesick.

These things are changing, slowly. I believe that it might be good for these you to have a change of seen and that the project could be justified because having Americans become better steeped in the culture here would be good for the US economy.
I agree.

In fact, investment plays a key role in this idea about forming connections between the Diaspora in the Americas and sub-Saharan Africa. Basically, the formation of a vast social net, which will consist of mainly economic and infrastructural investment and development, will bring together the people in both communities as business partners/dealers/brokers and welfare workers ("welfare" as in the formation of agricultural, aquacultural, mineral, manufacturing/processing, food, clothes, medicine, boarding/construction, and water aid and distribution societies and partnerships).

Of course, such would seem like the "same old same old", but the difference between this approach and the approach by most First-World aid agencies is that this approach will be coming from the Diaspora (both Middle Passage and Modern versions), and would provide a somewhat better basis of/for relations between the providers, shippers, distributors, and recipients (what I like to call "The Four Estates").

All that this approach, even repatriation, should do is serve as a means by which both parties will gain multiple benefits through (better-improved) trans-Atlantic partnerships and bonds in all possible fields and facets.
have you ever been there?

it's dirty, diseased, and impoverished.

here, even poor people have cable tv and satellite dishes.

not so there.

go back and you won't have any hip-hop cds to listen to or mcdonalds to work at. there's not much education, they are about 200 years behind us. Have at it! Good luck finding a fast internet connection to post on your livejournal about how much fun you're having.
have you ever been there?

No. Have you?

it's dirty, diseased, and impoverished.

So goes the stereotype; plus, you have that in several parts of the Americas as well (including the nastiest boonies and ghettoes of Georgia).

here, even poor people have cable tv and satellite dishes.

not so there.


Question: do they *need* it? I don't even want one myself...

Plus, there are some parts of Japan (a G-8 country, mind you) which only in recent years received cable/satellite services; some areas in the United States proper still don't have them.

go back and you won't have any hip-hop cds to listen to or mcdonalds to work at. there's not much education, they are about 200 years behind us. Have at it! Good luck finding a fast internet connection to post on your livejournal about how much fun you're having.

1) I have mp3s, and my musical tastes are moody, at best. By the way, while I do like the music to an extent, I simply *despise* the subculture for all its worth.

2) Never worked there. I worked for a time at a local assisted living facility owned by my mother's church, at which point I received CPR training.

3) In the least-urbanized areas, of course there isn't that much education, if any at all; and metro Africa, where the (mostly bare minimum) education is concentrated, doesn't feature all that highly on the demographic anyway (except in Yorubaland, of course). By the way, I'm not all that inclined to the country, anyway.

4) Given the chance and resources, I most definately will, thank you very much.

5) Oh...so an internet connection is a hindrance to the 419 folk in Festac Town, Nigeria?

With the money that they bring in, they can make their *own* ISP, lol.

kay_marie05

12 years ago

Part 1

rayne_vandunem

12 years ago

Part 2

rayne_vandunem

12 years ago

The Finale

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12 years ago

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12 years ago

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Anonymous

10 years ago

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Anonymous

8 years ago

as someone who is 1/2 congolese, i feel african americans finding thier roots should be the number one priority, just so we can ground ourselves to an earth that gives us a place belongs to us. However, i feel as though there is such a limited amount of knowlege concerning Afican Americans origins in africa, considering africa is huge, that it would be wise to first find out all you can about where your ancestors origionated from and try to incorporate this into your daily life before you decide to leave for africa. and who knows, we should probably bring african culture to the US. since this is no ones land besides the native americans and its turned into a melting pot anyway.
but these are just my thoughts, thanks for reading!
-Anna

oh and i embrace anyone of african heritage so add me as a friend!
I am happy to know that someone takes the notion of repatriation as serious as I do. We should make a greater effort to get the message across the globe. We want to go home. "Africa is our home."
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